Cyrus and the Mafia

[hardy17]

He said that they could tax the crime syndicates. Now if he ment the Sicilian mafia he would txt the commission and from what iv read and about the mafia there is no way they would allow a street punk to do that. If Luther hadn’t of shot him I am sure the mob would of, and i doubt they would stop at just him.

[adam88]

Good point, after all this is why Cyrus came up with the whole taking over the crime syndicates toghether. I am sure he realized that petty street gangs were no match for any mafia, whether they were Italian, or black, or any other race.  Gangs, were normally misfits who maybe had the heart and will power to be strong  , but did not have the man power or influence like the mafia.  Also different crime syndicates were broken up into rival families, so by Cyrus combining every gang into a collective unit, who knows what would happen.  They might even be able to afford weapons for an army, and be just as destructive, taking one family out at a time.  Who knows, the amount of members just might be endless compared to crime syndicates.  Thats if the plan had worked.

[Lion]

Cyrus was pushing it as it was, there was no way he could of won over the mob.  Maybe he wanted to bring the gangs together so later as one gang they could unite with the mafia and run the city.

[eliminator1]

For things like this, you have to remember that we're not necessarily talking about the real world. We don't know how strong or not the crime syndicates were in the movie setting, and for the street gangs to get big enough and organised enough for Cyrus to be in a position to plan unifying them, it kinda suggests that groups like the mafia are somehow weakened.

If the plan had worked, and assuming the gangs didn't fall apart later, they have the advantages of overwhelming numbers, and control of New York's streets. It may be that Cyrus's army and the mob would eventually have to co operate, as any full scale gang war would do major damage to both sides, and leave the eventual winner even more vunerable to someone else toppling them. Maybe the cops taking an opportunity to crush them for good, an outside mob spotting the opportunity to take over, or even the smaller gangs uniting as their own collective.

[The Swan]

Hey hardy17, I like this thread... I mean, I've always thought there could be a link (good?... bad?) between gangs and Mafia.

This is my reply to "back2coney" topic: "who is luther talking to?"
http://warriorsmovie.co.uk/forum/http:/ ... 867#p98867
Well only another theory (not the only one I've in my mind)... I mean, because of the crime syndicates fight, I think Cyrus died... anyway...

I was also thinking that maybe all the 5 "Don" Families gave a unique word. They knew about Cyrus plane (thanks to their infiltrated reports), and when they knew that all the innocuos and separated gangs would have mixed in 1 BIG GANG ready to fight also the crime syndicates ... well they found out the perfect puppet: luther!!!
Final result? 1 less problem!!! They already had other worries!!! 8)

[Baby Bear]

So do you mean...Cyrus wanted to unite the gangs becuase of the arrival of the mafia? Alright Cyrus possible purpose for this can be because he knows if the Mafia infested New York there will be a big change. For a guy like Cyrus he grew up in a time where people used their fist to fight. Now we know the Mafia used weapons like firearms. Cyrus disagreed with the fact that they used those tools to survive.
Maybe thats why?

[hardy17]

Like your way of thinking The Swan, maybe the mob even tipped off the cops too hoping that their puppet (luther) would get arrested or even killed. Thanks for the heads up on the book, going to try and find it.

if the plan had worked, and assuming the gangs didn't fall apart later, they have the advantages of overwhelming numbers, and control of New York's streets. It may be that Cyrus's army and the mob would eventually have to co operate

Only way the Mafia would allow the gangs to do what Cyrus wanted if they got their cut as they always liked to wet their beaks, and most of the mafia familys in the usa answer to the 5 famiies in New York (apart from the New Orleans one) so they would have plenty of men to go up against the gangs.

[The Swan]

No Baby Bear, I didn't mean that... well just a misunderstanding...
I meant Cyrus had a plan, but not because of the mere Mob arrival!!!
In fact the "Goodfellas and inc." , had always been there... sindycates, payments, weapons like firearms... and all the rest... well all of us (by books, tv, newspapers...) know that stuff!!!
So what I meant is that maybe Cyrus thought his Big 1 Gang would have also gained A LOT of money, and at that point the only way not to pay some Don, was to fight all of them!!!
Maybe, I suppose, because of this he said "We could tax the crime syndicates!!!..."
... and yeah Cyrus didn't like weapons like firearms... but if they had had to fight that war, well they would have needed firearms!!!
Anyway, I'd like to repeat mine it's only an imaginative theory... maybe it could have gone this way, but who really knows!?! 8)

[hardy17]

I really like ur theory, bet when they made the movie no one would think of linking anyone with the mob like that..

[stevo2k6]

He said that they could tax the crime syndicates. Now if he ment the Sicilian mafia he would txt the commission and from what iv read and about the mafia there is no way they would allow a street punk to do that. If Luther hadn’t of shot him I am sure the mob would of, and i doubt they would stop at just him.

thats a good point but remember, cyrus would have had 60,000 soldiers;)

[The Swan]

I really like ur theory, bet when they made the movie no one would think of linking anyone with the mob like that..

Yeah, glad you like it... and about that "NO link between..." during those years, well I think the same... mine is only a theory... maybe a little bit pompous ... but always a theory!!! (... and just not the only one I have about...)
I mean, I like it... but let's forget the movie 4 a while... so, it was too hard that all 1979 gangs really created that 1 only gang!!! (Anyway, this doesn't touch the movie... the movie is... well I LOVE IT!!!)
Anyway at that point, no 1 dangerous gang, Mob's Dons would have simply gone on their business... and gang phenomenon would have gone on his way!!! 8)

[adam88]

Well the thing is, I am ot saying that the unted gang will wipeout all of the mafia, but even with all the amilies united, its possible that it just might be a never anding war.  With the amount of soilders cyrus assembles and thweapons he gets from the money he produces, the war might not necessarily end at all.  Ounce the super gang clashes with syndcates, itnever ending bloodshed.

[stevo2k6]

Well the thing is, I am ot saying that the unted gang will wipeout all of the mafia, but even with all the amilies united, its possible that it just might be a never anding war.  With the amount of soilders cyrus assembles and thweapons he gets from the money he produces, the war might not necessarily end at all.  Ounce the super gang clashes with syndcates, itnever ending bloodshed.

maybe the mafia and cyrus and the rest of them could team up

[The Swan]

Well the thing is, I am ot saying that the unted gang will wipeout all of the mafia, but even with all the amilies united, its possible that it just might be a never anding war.  With the amount of soilders cyrus assembles and thweapons he gets from the money he produces, the war might not necessarily end at all.  Ounce the super gang clashes with syndcates, itnever ending bloodshed.

maybe the mafia and cyrus and the rest of them could team up

Yeah, maybe, ... but do you really believe Mafia would have shared all the "income"???
... and Cyrus??? Would have he accepted that situation???
IMO, all the gangs or that Super Gang had to be 100% independent!!!
Anyway I know you told "MAYBE", but I don't think so mate!!! 8)

[eliminator1]

Like your way of thinking The Swan, maybe the mob even tipped off the cops too hoping that their puppet (luther) would get arrested or even killed. Thanks for the heads up on the book, going to try and find it.

if the plan had worked, and assuming the gangs didn't fall apart later, they have the advantages of overwhelming numbers, and control of New York's streets. It may be that Cyrus's army and the mob would eventually have to co operate

Only way the Mafia would allow the gangs to do what Cyrus wanted if they got their cut as they always liked to wet their beaks, and most of the mafia familys in the usa answer to the 5 famiies in New York (apart from the New Orleans one) so they would have plenty of men to go up against the gangs.

Yeah, but at the same time a full scale gang war would cost both sides a lot in both soldiers and resources. It could easily reach the point where if they carried on, whoever won would be so seriously weakened that someone else (the law, another non mafia mob, the smaller gangs united) could easily take the opportunity to finish them off and take control themselves.