ajax not that stupid!!

swift eyed wolf · Post by **swift eyed wolf** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 5:46 pm

are you telling me to get over myself? ajax is a fictional character and swift eyed wolf has just asked him to be the godfather of his first child!

what the heck indeed.....

i aint been no god father before...it means a lot to me bobo!

yeah bobo. swift is just praising the lord (aka ajax)

thediceman · Post by **thediceman** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 6:36 pm

Is this not a glorified "I love Ajax" thread

swift eyed wolf · Post by **swift eyed wolf** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 6:43 pm

thediceman Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 6:36 pm

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Is this not a glorified "I love Ajax" thread

nope! he's not my best character!

my first post is very informative and good and sensible and honest and interesting and......

thediceman · Post by **thediceman** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 7:32 pm

swift eyed wolf wrote:nope! he's not my best character!

my first post is very informative and good and sensible and honest and interesting and......

A first post which was mere propaganda with you scripting events to try a justify "Ajax is great". Your first post actually included many points which were factually incorrect just to try and argue your point. Shame you didn't address my arguement against your points but then again it's difficult to argue against facts so it's best to ignore them especially if they highlight your post as nothing more than propaganda. Debate is good but doesn't work when you ignore opposing views and continue with justifying your position claiming events as supportive evidence when they are themselves wrong.

The only person to challenge one of my points was SHM who claims Ajax was the first to start punching the fence. I wish I had his one-off copy as both my DVD and VHS version does not show that. That scene, whilst showing Ajax more clearly does not show the start of the knocking down of the fence but the first clip is showing Ajax and Swan both working on the fence. Granted Ajax was the most effective, as to be expected of heavy muscle, but this is not justification of him being smart.

I like people being informative on this site and questioning elements of the film but when you start to design an agruement on evidence which is not factually correct then your post comes across as nothing more than a "I love Ajax" and "Ajax is great" post. Especially considering some of your quotes re: godfather, etc.

P.S. Ajax is infact my favourite character.

thediceman · Post by **thediceman** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 7:38 pm

swift eyed wolf wrote:5.spends the night in a cell...cant keep him for longer than that. is this bad? gets off the street! maybe what he got outta that strange wool (a bit of breast etc) was worth a liitle cell time
and in response to an old thread...theres no way he would die in the cell from his bust lip!!

salute to ajax...dont listen to em ajax mate! you invaluable!

i love ya man this is so emotional. will you be godfather to my first child?

So part of you justification that Ajax is not so stupid is that his night in the cells got him of the streets. Indeed it got him off the streets but it was not something he planned so can not be highlighted as proving Ajax as smart.

Post by **GonzoNYC** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 7:56 pm

Ajax is not stupid and also not the smartest. As some have said he is a bit hot headed and makes some bad decisions. But no one is more loyal to the gang and his fighting skills are top notch. His character is modeled after Lunkface in the book. Ajax in nowhere near as dumb as this character.

thediceman · Post by **thediceman** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 8:11 pm

GonzoNYC wrote:Ajax is not stupid and also not the smartest. As some have said he is a bit hot headed and makes some bad decisions. But no one is more loyal to the gang and his fighting skills are top notch. His character is modeled after Lunkface in the book. Ajax in nowhere near as dumb as this character.

I fully agree with your view Gonzo. I would just prefer if someone is trying to construct an arguement, as at the beginning of this thread, that they use facts rather than twisting things to suit their view point. Otherwise this just looks like a glorfied "Ajax is great" thread, especially when it is finished with the comment:

salute to ajax...dont listen to em ajax mate! you invaluable!

i love ya man this is so emotional. will you be godfather to my first child?

emissary · Post by **emissary** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 10:59 pm

I agree Gonzo. Two small points about his loyalty: Check the scene right after the car blows up. They're at the door of the train station Ajax stops and lets everyone in before him. Same thing after the meeting, Swan is letting everyone out from inside, but Ajax is getting everyone out from right outside the hole he just punched.

BTW A.K.A the killer household appliance · Fri Sep 23, 2005 11:43 am

okay sorry to soldierhevymuscle and swift eyed wolf for being aggresive.

warriors forever! keep bopping ajax!

Harley · Post by **Harley** » Sat Sep 24, 2005 1:54 am

Ajax is just the type of character that handles situations in his own way, like people in real life, the characters in this movie deal with problems in their own ways. An example is Vermin and Cochise partying with the Lizzies, like Cochise said it was a break in the action, for them they wanted a little escapism to deal with the danger they were in, where Rembrandt wanted to stay alert and ready.

Ajax is the kind of character that relys on his instincts and responds to them more often then someone like Swan. I think he has an natural instinct to be protective and aggressive in situations where he feels threatened and wants to respond immediatley, where Swan wants to explore options that are avaliable and try to stop problems before they begin. I think Ajax knows his limits and what he capable of, he didn't suggest they stay and fight all those Turnbulls but he wasn't afraid of them either. He did know he could beat the Furies though and was willing to take them on by himself after Cowboy got taken out.

As for getting caught by the cop, well I would be flattered if a guy gave me a good look, seemed interested and started a conversation but how am I to know if he's a psyco killer or something? Ajax is only human and got caught up in a woman's charm. True he did get a little aggresive, but like I said it's part of his character, and now he must suffer the consiquences for his sexual appetites.

Ranchgal · Post by **Ranchgal** » Sat Sep 24, 2005 3:41 am

ohs wrote:I wonder what would have happened if Snow and Cowboy stayed with Ajax and Swan left by himself..

NO question---the cops would have been there 3 times as fast and if they all couldn't run fast enough they all would have gotten it.
She was undercover, and knew that help was just a whistle blow away--if she would have been approached by 3 strange kids--she would have played it about the same I bet---and I truely think Ajax would have taken an even more aggressive approach, because he would be trying to ONE UP Cowboy and Snow, and they would have let him, which possibly might have saved them, cause while she was cuffing Ajax and they were standing back waiting for their turn--they might have been able to book fast enough to get away and hide, before the whole park got crawling with cops looking for them. Just my opinion for the senerio--but I can see every bit of it happening.

emissary · Post by **emissary** » Sat Sep 24, 2005 3:51 am

You know what's funny about that scene, Big tough Ajax is like a little nervous at first, "You alright lady? You need a little help or something lady?" very timid

Harley · Post by **Harley** » Sat Sep 24, 2005 3:56 am

Well ajax may be a tough soldier, but it seems that when it comes to women he's nothing but a little boy. You're right emissary, it seems like he doesn't know how to start the conversation and after he sits down it's the cop that does most of the talking. It's not until he starts to get tough that his confidence comes back.

swift eyed wolf · Post by **swift eyed wolf** » Sat Sep 24, 2005 2:46 pm

ok diceman...let me have a look at your opions on the matter.

SEW re: point one you have forgot to mention some keys points for consideration which I would believe shows Ajax was a follower rather than leading the group to their exit from the conclave.

1. When the police lights first come on it is Cleon who leads the way as he is the first one to jump down from their raised position closely followed by Swan and Cochise. Then the others.
2. It is Cleon who tells them all to run against the crowd.
3.When we next see the Warriors running against the crowd it is Swan in the front followed by Ajax. Therefore it is reasonable to say it was Swan who leads them to the exit, and finally
4. Ajax and Swan were BOTH working on the breaking though the exit together. Guess hitting bits of wood is the duty of heavy muscle.

ok.

1. hopping down one rail isn't exactly leading the way...i wouldn't give him credit for finding the graveyard just for that move.
2. cleon may as well be talkin to himself. its noisy and chaotic and ajax is not close enough to hear him. (in my opinion)
3. swan and ajax are together at the fence, but it looks like ajax actually breaks through (showing more belief) as swan 'could' have (not definately) given up on trying to get through it. the way ajax breaks through and runs off...to me it looks like he is the one thats adament on getting to the graveyard. its not just him...your right, but if anyone would take more credit it would be ajax.
4. finally, the cop thing was more of a joke...it wasn't totally serious and realistically, i wouldn't say it was a good idea. just trying to put of humour into it.

basically, your message seems very serious...almost as if your a bit upset by the comments. also, my points are not merely propoganda, they are factual like ajax saying they should stop running and beat gangs...they did beat the furies. and him running when the warriors dont have his back...he does do that every time.

most of peoples posts on this thread say a lot about how swan is smarter, how ajax operates more on instinct and how he makes bad decisions.

well...swan is smarter, he does make bad decisions and he does work on instinct. this however doesnt mean that the instances explaining when he has been (im not sure yhis word should be used alongside ajax but anyway) is fabrication.

yep, im not really going to ask him to be a godfather...that was a bit of my humour and like for ajax...it was not intended to be serious nor a way to make this a 'i love ajax' thread...just a bit of fun.

thats all from me for now...take care all.

(its not that formal diceman) you should realise that from my name. (my family name isnt 'eyed wolf' with me being christened 'swift'.

youre points are interesting though diceman...i just dont think they disprove mine.[/b]

thediceman · Post by **thediceman** » Sat Sep 24, 2005 3:25 pm

swift eyed wolf wrote:1. hopping down one rail isn't exactly leading the way...i wouldn't give him credit for finding the graveyard just for that move.
2. cleon may as well be talkin to himself. its noisy and chaotic and ajax is not close enough to hear him. (in my opinion)
3. swan and ajax are together at the fence, but it looks like ajax actually breaks through (showing more belief) as swan 'could' have (not definately) given up on trying to get through it. the way ajax breaks through and runs off...to me it looks like he is the one thats adament on getting to the graveyard. its not just him...your right, but if anyone would take more credit it would be ajax.
4. finally, the cop thing was more of a joke...it wasn't totally serious and realistically, i wouldn't say it was a good idea. just trying to put of humour into it.

How bigger hole do you want to dig for yourself.

re: 1&2 - I never said Cleon was the one to lead them to the graveyard. Cleon was the one who lead them in that direction as they followed him jumping down and his instruction to run against the crowd. As for your opinion of Cleon may as well been talkin to himself when he says "against the crowd" why did the other Warriors follow the instruction.
re: 3 - Busting down the fence this does not prove any supportive evidence as to Ajax's smartness which was the point of your first post. I've already stated Ajax lead the way and busted down the fence due to him being heavy muscle and the strongest in the gang. It doesn't mean he was the only one trying. Just because he was the one to break though the fence is not proof he is a natural born leader or smart. Also the clip just before we even get to the fence showing the Warriors running against the crowd shows Swan leading and not Ajax so it suggests Swan was leading at this stage and probably the one who found the exit.

As for the serious of my post it was a mere response to your selective memory and childish structure of your agruement. Sorry but your first post does read as propoganda of a "I love Ajax", "Ajax is the best", rather than a piece of comedy genius. As such I wrote a counter agruement to hightlight a number of points that weaken your point of Ajax being smart. So if my responses were serious, yours were just plain stupid.

Ajax was a wannabe leader but was never smart enough for the role. I look forward to seeing your evidence to prove otherwise.

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