Could Cyrus' plan have worked?

KillerMime · Post by **KillerMime** » Sun Dec 18, 2005 10:11 pm

Assuming the whole 60, 000 soldier thing that Cyrus said was true, do you think that Cyrus' plan had a chance at working? If all the gangs kept the general truce, they target one borough at a time, tax the crime syndicates. Remember, they got the streets suckas!

Or, would gang rivalries be too much to overcome, not to mention the fact that the other gangs in the city would basically be working for the Riffs.

THEWARR1OR · Post by **THEWARR1OR** » Sun Dec 18, 2005 11:49 pm

I doubt it would have worked. I'm sure there were more guys like
Luther out there, who are just waiting to fuck everything up.

Sooner or later peoples different views and opions would kill
everything.

emissary · Post by **emissary** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 12:08 am

Well, even in 1979, the NYC police and national guard could probably drum up a lot of fire power. I think if it was attempted, a lot of young men would have been killed or arrested or decided that gang life wasn't for them. On the other hand, if it did work, it would be funny to see Cyrus ringing the bell at The New York Stock Exchange.

Ranchgal · Post by **Ranchgal** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 3:06 am

I agree it wouldn't have worked---somehow, I don't see the City Fathers bowing down to any street punks.
AND there are other elements in the city who also wouldn't pay much attention and would certainly meet any resistance with violence of their own.

PLUS--I don't see all the leaders of all the gangs just saying Yes, Cyrus, you just lead us and we will follow. Cyrus didn't get to lay out any pay off/out plans either--and sooner or later it would come down to:What is in it for ME and mine.
Too many, too independent, not enough structure behind it.

paperdollorphan · Post by **paperdollorphan** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 11:47 am

i agree theres too much ego amongst the various gangs for 1 leader. it would lead to an "escape from new york" situation and i hate those kinda movies.

nativewarrior · Post by **nativewarrior** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 12:05 pm

it would have worked... Gangs like hells angels have been in the organised crime bussness for a very long time and they have made a lot of money, crips and bloods latin kings are starting to get there. These three real gangs are the largest gangs in the world so the more members you have the more sucsess you will have - thats what cyrus knew.

THEWARR1OR · Post by **THEWARR1OR** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 3:57 pm

I don't think your seeing the overall picture here, bro.

Think of it like this. You gather a lot of people from
all over the world. All diferent races and beleifs.
You give them a small island and say, "make your
own govt"

That would only end in chaos, cause everyone will
have a different opinion on the way things should
be ran.

Now if you take a bunch of people with the same
race and beleifs, and put them in the same situation
no doubt it would work.

Those "real" gangs are all guys who wanted to be
what they are. That's why they have no problems.

But try joining all of those gangs into one gang,
see how much shit goe's wrong.

vermin76 · Post by **vermin76** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 7:03 pm

no chance in hell would the truce have worked.too many gangs would have wanted to be top dog and run it all their way.and you know as well as i do when you get a lot of overegoed testosterone junkies all wanting their say on the way things ought to be it will never work as decisions and options shall be split all over.

Cowboy79 · Post by **Cowboy79** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 8:35 pm

It wouldn't work one day someone would learn that Cyrus just wanted to run the city without fighting anyone to earn it. Then they would turn against him.

Cochise · Post by **Cochise** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 8:41 pm

Like emissary was saying, Cyrus didn't factor in how the National Guard would tear them to pieces if they even managed to somehow get all these gangs into one like-minded group.

ajaxman · Post by **ajaxman** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 2:23 am

It may have worked, but only to a certain point. Because no matter how good things can be and how much power you can take, there will always be somebody who wants more and so screws the whole thing up by trying to take over as leader of the group he was apart of.

Snowjob_99 · Post by **Snowjob_99** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 2:52 am

I dont think it would of worked because surrounding states could of came and shut them down.

Ranchgal · Post by **Ranchgal** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 4:09 am

nativewarrior wrote:it would have worked... Gangs like hells angels have been in the organised crime bussness for a very long time and they have made a lot of money, crips and bloods latin kings are starting to get there. These three real gangs are the largest gangs in the world so the more members you have the more sucsess you will have - thats what cyrus knew.

Yes but they are all members of their own gang FIRST.
You are a Hells Angel, Blood, Latin King, etc, then you get to be in the business end of the structure.
Cyrus was asking people who were already in established gangs to give up their own identity-and THEN be part of his "big picture". Give up who they are now, and be UNDER his/Riffs leadership.
That is why it wouldn't have worked---Everyone thinks they are already in the best gang for them---and I don't see everyone giving up their own id to become a Riff. I guess it may be possible, but with all the regular rivalries, already in place, I just can't see it.

knowledge · Post by **knowledge** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 5:06 am

Its difficult to put into perspective when you have 60,000 men, women who are children of the night 'if you will'. In due time, the egos would have came into play, gangs would have still tried to keep their turfs and you would have ultimate chaos. Even though Cyrus was the leader of The Riffs, whats stopping another gang leader like Luther, or the leader of The Boppers or even Masai from overtaking Cyrus just cuz they thought he was too soft.

Its possible for a swift takeover as well as a swift downfall.

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