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Yo everyone i know there is a lot of swan fans but i dont think hes such a great warlord he didnt have ajax's back when he was gonna rape the police chick just cuz ajax called him a faggot. When they all get back to coney at the end swan says maybe ill just take off. that means he has no loyalty to the warriors. What do u guys think?

Swan is a great leader, you would bow down to him - you would stay loyal to him until he decided to stand down.
That's what being a Warrior is.

Kindly be a little more tactile in your choice of words.

If you were called a faggot, I'm sure you would be a little ticked off too. Besides, in a deleted scene, Swan finds out about Ajax's arrest and feels guilty.

And as for him leaving the gang, he realized that being a gang member is stupid and pointless. He was loyal enough to be declared war chief. b2c is right, you should choose your words a bit better.

I also think that Swans a good leader. But ,as pointed out above, I think that when he says he wants to leave it gives us two things:

1. It is pointless to be in a gang (or you can at least do better stuff)
2. It shows us that Swan is a person who learns from mistakes etc.

cleon would probably do a better job,but i aint sayin swan is a bad warchief. i think he did better than most would and he was definitely the best choise for second-in-command.

Are you suggesting Ajax would have been a better second-in-command? He certainly didn't have the best interests of the group (getting back to Coney safely) on his mind. He was looking out only for himself, and resented (and challenged) Swan's leadership. Swan let him go, and wisely didn't let him interfere with the greater good - getting home.

Ajax may have been the heaviest muscle the Warriors had, but a great soldier does not necessarily make a great general.
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Word! Thats my opinion!

Scurvy Dog wrote: Are you suggesting Ajax would have been a better second-in-command? He certainly didn't have the best interests of the group (getting back to Coney safely) on his mind. He was looking out only for himself, and resented (and challenged) Swan's leadership. Swan let him go, and wisely didn't let him interfere with the greater good - getting home.

Ajax may have been the heaviest muscle the Warriors had, but a great soldier does not necessarily make a great general.

I don't think he was just looking out for himself. He did go off on his own, but Swan should have stopped him. Cleon would have. And when they were running from the cops, and they got split up, Ajax kept looking back and saying "where are they" and stuff while Swan dashed up the stairs. But, as far as Swan being a good leader I think he was the best choice under Cleon.

i think swan was perfect.Ajax was good enough to handle himself and when the others came from seeing how he was swan asked were he was.After what happend that night i would of left the warriors there is better things to do than fight for your life.

yeah i guess all u are right swans an ok leader.

You kind of do have a point Ajax 4 Life he kind of did kind of look like he lost his loyalty at the end but also i think that he just wanted to get away from gang life.

back2coney wrote: Swan is a great leader, you would bow down to him - you would stay loyal to him until he decided to stand down.
That's what being a Warrior is.

Kindly be a little more tactile in your choice of words.

Man i would never bow down to swan i think hes a whimp but i guess hes an ok leader.

Ajax 4 Life wrote:

back2coney wrote: Swan is a great leader, you would bow down to him - you would stay loyal to him until he decided to stand down.
That's what being a Warrior is.

Kindly be a little more tactile in your choice of words.

Man i would never bow down to swan i think hes a whimp but i guess hes an ok leader.

You love Ajax quite a bit don't you 
That's cool though  8)


Yep Swan was an 'ok' leader. 

Well i always figured that Swan was never supposed to be the perfect leader regardless of what people say about him.  You see Swan is a man who is in search of himself in this life.  He does not know what his responsibilities in this world is, and is always in search for knowledge.  Being that Cleon, who is the almighty warrior of the group, knows what his priorities and role in this life is, Swan doesn't.  So this is a perfect test that will teach Swan were he belongs and how he can make decisions.  Its all part of the journey of finding ones self.  So being that hes new to the leadership, his role is not meant to be perfect.  Its to see what his learning expirences are.  Notice at the end, he says maybe I should take off. He feels is this all worth it, maybe I should find a new path in life.  So its all about what these obstacles can teach us.

First off, Swan might not have put all his power to stopping Ajax...you can see the look of guilt on his face in the deleted scene...he felt that a part of him was lost...as if losing a family member whether Ajax was tough or not...I felt that Swan Snow and Cowboy tried to convince Ajax from not making the mistake of going over to the woman in the park...however since Ajax is hard headed and yes he was looking out for himself all he worried about was "laying down some strange wool" from the start...maybe Ajax didn't like to be a Warrior...everybody was a faggot or a wimp to him bc of various reasons...he probably thought that he could take care of himself and he learned his lesson...main one is: "there is no 'I' in team"...Secondly, Swan mentioned "i'll just take off" to Mercy not to the rest of The Warriors...I thought it meant that he was leaving now to what needed to be finished...there might've been a few times when he wanted to get rid of Mercy but even to the end she seemed to stick around...who knows maybe Swan might've had a little crush on her but didn't want to truly admit it especially to the rest of The Warriors...what would the rest of them think if they knew that Swan was being tamed by Mercy?...probably not too highly of him...if Swan really didn't want her to stick around he would've told her to beat it even if she begged...and I really thought they were going to kiss at the end but why do you think they didn't?  lets take the example of the deleted scene with Cleon and his girlfriend Lincoln...even if she didn't want him going up to the Bronx he sort of pushed her away while her emotions and love for Cleon were still there...no offense to the guys, especially the girls in this forum but men don't like to be overruled by women

would they still see him as War Chief/War Lord? whether or not he was tamed by Mercy he did lead the rest of the Warriors all the way back to Coney...I thought he did a good job as War Chief especially as War Lord