The Saracens

hardy17 · Post by **hardy17** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 12:32 pm

I was reading a box about the Sicilian Mafia and it was going on about the troubled history of Sicily. Anyway Sicily was once attacked and controlled by an arabic group called The Saracens. As soon as i saw that i wondered if Walter Hill had known about them. What do you lot think?

Vermin16 · Post by **Vermin16** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 1:26 pm

I'm going to guess that he knew about them. "Saracen" doesn't seem like a name that would just pop into your head. It probably came from that group or one of the other groups with that name.

papa arnold · Post by **papa arnold** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 4:19 pm

during the crusades 'saracens' where the black people england fought against

Vermin16 · Post by **Vermin16** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 4:34 pm

More specifically anyone who professed their belief to the Muslim faith.

The Swan · Post by **The Swan** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 10:34 pm

hardy17 wrote: I was reading a box about the Sicilian Mafia and it was going on about the troubled history of Sicily. Anyway Sicily was once attacked and controlled by an arabic group called The Saracens. As soon as i saw that i wondered if Walter Hill had known about them. What do you lot think?

Hi man, 1st of all... well, excellent topic!!!
So, can u tell me which is the book you read?
Anyway, about Sicilian Saracens Period, I can assure you it was a great one 4 Sicily and Palermo (Saracens Empire Capital and today Region Capital) development... etc...
... now, I think W. Hill would have of given a better "part" to The Saracens gang if he had just known or read about them... as he made 4 istance naming Ismael (from The warriors Movie), Cyrus. In fact he read about Sol Yurick's book source, "Anabasi", where one of the two main characters is Ciro (Cyrus) il Giovane (the "Young").
See ya!!! 8)

Post by **Lion** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 11:38 pm

I am sure he did his homework, but I think he just picked gang names randomly without having their history in mind.

stevo2k6 · Post by **stevo2k6** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 11:26 am

Lion wrote: I am sure he did his homework, but I think he just picked gang names randomly without having their history in mind.

exactly defo did research on gangs names and then shoved them in the movie,

Post by **Lion** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 11:39 pm

It could of been easier to choose local gang names, but hell, who wants that trouble?

The Swan · Post by **The Swan** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 8:53 am

Yeah, 100% agree!!!

Maybe today, but I'm saying MAYBE!!!, it would be possible... but during those years, and you Americans know better than me what it meant to talk about real gangs life in '70-'80... I think "only cause" they did "The Warriors", it was a very corageous move!!! 8)

Post by **Lion** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 7:49 pm

Yeah I agree, not only that, but wear a patch on your vest that is a bit similar to that of the most notorious motorcycle gangs in America.

Baby Bear · Post by **Baby Bear** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 4:03 am

hardy17 wrote: I was reading a box about the Sicilian Mafia and it was going on about the troubled history of Sicily. Anyway Sicily was once attacked and controlled by an arabic group called The Saracens. As soon as i saw that i wondered if Walter Hill had known about them. What do you lot think?

Arabian group? No wonder the Saracens had that Arabian sword in there tag along with the snake. I think this was intentionally put in by Walter hill. So its possible The Saracens could've been a percentage of Arabic mebers too?!

The Swan · Post by **The Swan** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 1:53 pm

Baby Bear wrote:
hardy17 wrote: I was reading a box about the Sicilian Mafia and it was going on about the troubled history of Sicily. Anyway Sicily was once attacked and controlled by an arabic group called The Saracens. As soon as i saw that i wondered if Walter Hill had known about them. What do you lot think?
Arabian group? No wonder the Saracens had that Arabian sword in there tag along with the snake. I think this was intentionally put in by Walter hill. So its possible The Saracens could've been a percentage of Arabic mebers too?!

Yeah they maybe could... anyway about their logo (as you know)...

... well the sword is the typical Arabian weapon, but they also have other symbols... not the snake.
I think W. Hill put also a snake, cause this way the logo seems very "aggressive"... I mean a snake biting a sword!!! COOL!!! 8)
Anyway I'd like to say again that IMO W. Hill maybe knew (yeah, why not) about the Saracens (and Arabian history)... but if he had deeply read an exact hystorical Saracen event, I think he'd have given a better part to the Saracen gang in his script!!! 8)

By the way, 2 "Saracens" links:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saracen  The History
http://www.saracens.com/  English Rugby Team. 8)

Post by **Ninth Delegate** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 5:34 pm

I know bobby manix supposedly designed a logo for ALL the gangs on the list (most of which we havnt seen), but correct me if im wrong; didnt rockstar games design the sarecens logo?

The Swan · Post by **The Swan** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 11:20 pm

Ninth Delegate wrote: I know bobby manix supposedly designed a logo for ALL the gangs on the list (most of which we havnt seen), but correct me if im wrong; didnt rockstar games design the sarecens logo?

Well, I just thought they did... anyway, waiting 4 who is sure about, I signed in this site http://www.mobygames.com/company/rockstar-toronto , and I added the trivia about Bobby Manix and RT logos design... so to be really SURE!!!... well just a moment

... see ya!!! 8)

Post by **Lion** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 12:50 am

You know they would of been a good gang to have had more screen time in the film.

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