Conclave conspiracy theory

[Naniwa]

Hey everyone, first-time poster and big-time Warriors fan here. 

I've seen this mentioned in other places on these forums, and since re-watching and analyzing the movie, I'm inclined to believe that Luther was indeed working with the cops when he assassinated Cyrus. After all, Luther seems to be little more than an anarchist looking to stir the pot, but local law enforcement would have a very valid reason for wanting Cyrus dead -- to prevent him from mobilizing legions of gang members into one enormous army. Therefore, it's conceivable that the cops would have paid off Luther and the Rogues to kill Cyrus, knowing full well that he was a loose cannon who would be able to pull off the job when other gangs would have had their reservations.

Also, the pacing of the conclave scene seems to suggest this; the patrol cars creeping up silently before the assassination, then blasting lights and sirens immediately after to add to the chaos and confusion.

What do you think? Does anyone else share this theory?

[xrainexloirex]

I've never thought of that before. Although, I can't see the cops cooperating with a gang, it's a good theory; I like it.

[flashman]

That is a very viable theory...I could see Luther and his gang working for some rouge cops.

[Ninth Delegate]

Theres a line in Cyrus speech that says "we tax the crime syndicates..".  In the recend David patrick Kelly interview, he hints that he's speaking to a mafia type crime boss.  Its possible that This boss has ordered the rogues to take out cyrus before he becomes a threat to their unlawful money making schemes.

[nightarmyWARRIOR]

Very useful theory. But lets think about this. Why would Rogues cooperating with some cops when Corpsey says at the gas station: "Cops is trying to grab every gang in this town." Luther says: "Yeah, me and you include." So that means Rogues doesn't cooperating with cops. Don't take amiss.

Thats only my opinion.  ;)

Although, its a good theory; like it.

[Naniwa]

Thanks for the replies everyone!

Actually, the mafia boss theory is even more plausible than the cop theory. I like it. 

As far as the cooperation of the Rogues and the cops is concerned, there are a couple of things to consider:

(a) Not all police officers would have to be in on the assassination, only a few at the very top, and maybe a few that were on the scene. In fact, other officers in outlying precincts might not have a clue at all, and might only know what we as viewers know. The suspicious thing to me is that they waited until after the assassination to bust up the conclave, if they knew Cyrus was going to deliver a message of unity to rally the gangs against the cops, why not bust it up before his speech to prevent him from getting the word out?

(b) The cops who did work with the Rogues might not have been thrilled with their alliance, but might instead have seen it as a necessary evil, "sleeping with the enemy" as the case may be. If they went strictly by the books and arrested Cyrus at the conclave, they may have been able to trump up a few charges that would put him away for a couple of months. But to have him killed would rectify the situation permanently. And with Cyrus out of the picture, who would have the charisma to organize the troops in his place? Certainly not Masai.

(c) It's entirely possible that Cropsey and the rest of the Rogues had no idea who they were working for, since Luther is apparently the only liaison and he doesn't seem too concerned about delivering details to his fellow gang members. It seems he tells them just enough to keep them on their toes and dangerous, but that's it.

I also contend that Luther had no intention of pinning the blame on anyone else until he noticed that Fox noticed him. From that point he knew he'd have to pin it on the Warriors somehow, so at the very least it would be a "our word vs. their word" situation to the other gang members. As it turned out, seeing Cleon standing near the Riffs provided him the perfect opportunity.

BTW, I've also finished the game and the novel, so hopefully I'll have more opinions to share once I bust out of New Blood territory.

[canyoucount]

Although, I can't see the cops cooperating with a gang.... 

Hey. In NYC, anything's possible!

[xrainexloirex]

Although, I can't see the cops cooperating with a gang....   

Hey. In NYC, anything's possible!

Haha, I guess that's true! I've never been to New York (soon to change!) though, so I just go on what I've been told, or have seen in movies!

I like the mafia boss theory, too. I could see that happening!

[flashman]

This theory has alot of sense to it.

[The Swan]

Check The Site/Forum guys. No Sarcasm.

WMS: This has been a question which has long been debated - who were you talking to on the phone in the candy store?
D.P.Kelly/Luther: Walter and I didn't talk too much about who Luther was speaking to on the phone. I think he only said "the Boss". I made up a character as "the Boss" who combined political corruption with gangsterism, someone Luther knew from a young age, a kind of mentor who Luther was anxious to please, a kind of Fagin/Boss Tweed.

http://warriorsmovie.co.uk/index.php?op ... &Itemid=65 ---


Anyway, canyoucount, "In NYC, anything's possible!"... you said, Yeah, you Just said it!!! 8)

[flashman]

I think it was the mafia Luther was talking to.

[kray twin]

i never thought of that perfore intresting theory i like it but theres a couple of holes like that dude said about luther talking about the cops and the fact the guy who played him saying he made up the character you never know they might talk about it in the comic

[flashman]

Very interesting theory Scurvy Dog...so the new Riffs leader was in on it...I had never thought about this to this degree...good, real good....

[flashman]

I would love to ask Walter Hill, Larry Gordon, or some of the cast like Cochise about this and get their thoughts....

[flashman]

I don't know Scurvy Dog...I look at this movie as being one of the finest creative works that I have ever had the pleasure to enjoy during my 38 years on planet earth. This conspiracy theory is one of the most well thought out as well as interesting things I have ever heard anyone say about this movie. Personally, I can't believe that I had never thought of this to this degree....I think Walter Hill would be amazed as well. It's almost as if there is a story that isn't being told....a much bigger picture.

On the other hand, if this is the only thing a person does during a 24 hour period 7 days a week then yes they need to "get a life". For me the Warriors is just one of my many interests in life and it is nice to share with others around the world even that have the same interests. I commend the originator of this post for their amazing perception of the movie.