Cleon in the trailer - editing leads to misconception?

StevenFallonNYC · Post by **StevenFallonNYC** » Sun Sep 12, 2004 3:29 pm

I was watching the trailer again because it is a great trailer as far as little pieces of scenes not in the film. But one part of the trailer that many talk about is where Mercy talks to the Warriors and you see Cleon there. At first I thought the same of what most others would think, but now I am thinking what you see isn't really what is there.

It has led many to believe Cleon was on The Orphan's block with the rest of the guys. Logically, this is an impossibility due to all the events and scenes shot before The Warriors end up in front of The Orphans. Cleon isn't in the graveyard, not running from The ACs, not on the subway which catches fire, and not in any scenes directly after The Warriors meet The Orphans and Mercy. And it would be film magic to cleverly edit him out if he was.

Which leads me to believe that The Warriors you see over Mercy's vocal isn't what she is looking at. What it looks like, is Mercy giving her lines, and the picture switching to a different locale, but Mercy's vocal still is on the film when the picture switches shots.

Plus - if you look at the backround behind The Warriors when Mercy is talking - they are definitely not in the same place/block they are when they encounter The Orphans. It looks like they are near the conclave.

So it seems the trailer combines Mercy's vocals with a shot of The Warriors at the site of the conclave, and that's why Cleon is in the picture.

Something along the same lines happened in the first Spiderman trailer. Remember Peter Parker at the bedside of Aunt May in the hospital? She says "You're not Superman" and Peter gives a surprised look. But it didn't happen quite that way in the actual movie, it was just the editing of the trailer.

Any opinions? Either way, in addition to the regular "extra scenes" it would be great to see the scenes that the trailer has not in the movie. I am trying to figure out at just what point at the Orphan's scene does Mercy actually call the Warriors the big dudes.

wonderwheel · Post by **wonderwheel** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 6:11 am

Yeah, the trailer throws the whole film out of sync. If Mercy calls the Warriors "the big dudes", then logically she must have heard about the incident with Cyrus up in the Bronx. Yet by this time Cleon "most likely got a night stick shoved halfway up his ***." In the graveyard, he is clearly missing. So why is he (Cleon) seen with the group when they meet Mercy. It also cannot be a confrontation before the big meeting since Mercy would not know them as "the big dudes." Perhaps the trailer was made from materials left over on the editing floor.

adios,

Snow · Post by **Snow** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 11:16 am

What you also see in the trailer is a fury with red and black face paint twirling a bat. I can't recall seeing that during the fight with the furies.

Swan · Post by **Swan** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 3:43 pm

no it seems to be in the background of a fight but it would be cool to see all of them doing a trick

PerFecShauN · Post by **PerFecShauN** » Fri Sep 24, 2004 9:38 am

The scene withe cleon is definatly from the begining of the film when the warriors first enter the conclave (see deleted scene on reallivebunch site).

cyrus7041 · Post by **cyrus7041** » Sat Dec 25, 2004 1:59 am

Can someone tell me where I can view the trailer with Cleon and the Orphans? Reallivebunch.com is not a working site.

The Green Meanie · Post by **The Green Meanie** » Sat Dec 25, 2004 2:45 am

Watch the trailer on the DVD.

cyrus7041 · Post by **cyrus7041** » Sat Dec 25, 2004 2:20 pm

Thank You Green Meanie. I plan on watching it in a few minutes. Thanks! Merry Christmas.

cyrus7041 · Post by **cyrus7041** » Sat Dec 25, 2004 10:27 pm

I watched the trailer, I see what you are talking about now with Cleon. Also the the reallivebunch site is working, I had the wrong website, my mistake. I did a Google search and found it. It has the extra deleted scenes of which I am a big fan of.

Cowboy · Post by **Cowboy** » Sun Dec 26, 2004 10:50 am

Yeh In one of the extra scenes it talks about the warriors thinking the conclave is a hoax (Which is before they walk in the conclave). This is the shot of the graveyard scene, which also makes me belive that the warriors knew were they were going when all hell broke loose. (When cyrus got shot)
I also seen the part with the red&black faced fury spinning the bat. (It looks pretty cool!

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warriorchick · Post by **warriorchick** » Thu Dec 30, 2004 5:45 am

i think the trailer was made up mostly of deleted scenes. wonder how much of the deleted footage was saved? i'd love to see it on the new & improved dvd.