Deep Thinker Questions

[War Chief]

I thought I'd ask some deeper questions about The Warriors to see what people come up with.

1. How long do you think The Warriors would have stayed together after we see them at the end of the movie?

2. Would another gang have taken over their turf when they left, and would they name themselves The Warriors?

3. What would their characters (not the actors) be doing in 2004?

Personally, I think The Warriors would have probably broken up slowly. I imagine Swan and Mercy would leave together first of all. Cochise would probably become the warchief. I think The Warriors probably would have lived on with the addition of new members as others left. In 2004, I think Swan and Mercy would be together, with kids, living somewhere in The Bronx. Vermin would probably be working for the subway (lol). Ajax (now out of prison) would probably be heading some anti-anti-social behaviour class. The other Warriors would probably be doing some sort of office or delivery job. I can see Rembrandt working in a car park / car lot (I'm thinking of 48 Hrs!.

[snowball fury]

Well the Warriors would probley stay together for a couple more years. Once Ajax got out of jail the others would welcome him back. I also think Cleon would still be alive only because i think the other gangs didn't kill him because they wanted to get out of the meeting fast before the cops grabbed them. Due to Fox's death they would recruit another member. Eventually the guys would all have girlfriends (even Rembrant). Rembrant would be the first to leave and he would go study some science major at college. Swan would be next but I think him and Mercy would break up because he would catch her cheating on him. Cochise and Vermin would move into an apartment together and would be working constrution together and they'd still be party animals. Snowball would become a truck driver but would still live near Coney. Ajax and Cowboy would be living together and Ajax would have a parole officer. Cleon would eventually stop the gang and work at Coney Island. All the Warriors would keep in touch but wouldn't see eachother alot.


I don't think another gang would take over because the new members that would have joined would have become another gang and would have left Coney alone out of respect. The mark of the Warriors would still be there and the members agreed that if there was trouble over their turf they would rumble with that gang.

[BigMike7]

Was there another gang on Coney??

They would stay together, they are a gang. You re-tool and and keep going. Swan whether he likes it or not is a gang leader and is not going anywhere especially since the Riffs killed Cleon. They arent going to let him live after killing Cyrus.
Ajax would get out of Jail, come back and soldier. I cant see the other guys leaving until they are too old to stay in. Snow had a brain so maybe he would have gone to college. They rest stay on Coney and die there...

[emissary]

OK I think that they would stay together, except Swan, for at least another year. Swan was going to leave with Mercy to have a different life.

I think the process of new members and old members is similar to baseball. There is never a 100% changeover, even though that would work for the Mets, every year some Warriors would go and some stay, but always Warriors. Its such a strong name.

25 years later, Vermin would be a cop or correctional officer, Cochise would be a community college professor, Snow would own a business, like a gym, Cowboy would teach elementary school in Alabama, Ajax would work for Snow. Swan, well, I'm writing about him in F.F. Rembrandt would have a gallery in Manhattan and his "W's", if authentic, are worth $100,000.

[PadLock]

I think in the Mid 80's when crack came it, would destroy the warriors, like it did for most street gangs. Bats and Chains would be replaced with Uzi's and rifles. and many would die or become junkies. sad to think of, but its the truth.

[Ranchgal]

As a gang, certainly the gang would stay together and keep going, the 9 were only a small picture of the total members. And no The Warriors would never have left Coney, cause they would have had to take over some other turf---only way they wouldn't be there is if some other gang came in--conquered them, and incorporated the Warriors within their own new gang, and I don't see that happening.

AS individuals, Swan was Warchief, by appointment, not by gang standard, and ended up being leader ON THAT NIGHT by necessity--when the actual gang is awake in the morning, Swan is back to whatever post he held before the conclave-which is NOT a leader at all, he was only appointed for that mission---he is NOT a leader by choice, he also is not going to lead the gang--the vice president would be stepped up and the hirarchy will continue from there. Swan was a loner---he will either slip back into the gang as he was before, or he will make good his dissatisfaction and leave completely--and the same goes for the rest of them.

How long would any of them stay---depends, usually gang members don't get old---they drop out because of jail, addictions, or economic necessities.
When they aren't supported by their families any more, they have to either stay with the gang and steal stuff to make ends meet, or they get a job and join the real world. Plus possible marriages, children to support, younger brothers and sisters all enter into this.

And there comes a certain age when gang banging ceases to make sense and business of living takes over, then they get jobs.
I don't see most of them having the resources to go to college or even trade school---most of them will end up either doing construction, which will give them a good living, or working on the docks--because that also would give them a way to make ends meet and they could get OJT and not need any extra education. Some of them may have been lucky enough to have a family business---dry cleaning, grocery store, manufacturing---and they would be absorbed into this at what ever level they were qualified and could maybe work their way up.
they weren't stupid, but they definately lacked in the economic and educational situations that were dictated by where they lived, and family situations.

[KillerMime]

I agree there would probably still be a Warriors gang throughout the 80's and possibly 90's. I think however the Warriors hit their peak in the late Seventies. Nationwide gangs like the crips, bloods and latin kings rose to prominence in the 80's and took over huge areas of turf from smaller neighborhood gangs.

But the fact is, as long as you got a bunch of kids living in sh1tty neighborhoods with no money and no hope for the future, gangs will always be around in one form or another.

[Rem]

Yeah it's not serious, but I had this one topic......
http://warriorsmovie.co.uk/forum/viewto ... ght=#14599

And yeah with the entrance of assault weapons and heavy firepower in the 80s, the odds would even out, and the Warriors could easily die out.

[ajaxman]

1. How long do you think The Warriors would have stayed together after we see them at the end of the movie?

2. Would another gang have taken over their turf when they left, and would they name themselves The Warriors?

3. What would their characters (not the actors) be doing in 2004?

48 Hrs!.

1. I think the Warriors would have stayed around for a long time. As a matter of fact i think that the Warriors would still be in Coney today. Albeit with new members. If any took off, I would say Swan would have taken off and left Snow in charge. But I think Swan was going to stay because he wasn't going to desert his boys, at least until he had picked a succesor and made sure the Warriors were going to be ok.

2. The gang would never have left even if those 7 at the end all left.

3. In 2004 (looks in crystal ball of last year)

Swan: working at some 9 to 5 job.

Ajax: Hitman for some family. Or a Cop.

Cochise: Straight pimp or a D.J. on the radio

Rembrandt: Artist in the community whose paintings do well because they reflect the turmoil of an inner-city youth struggling to survive. (Or some crap).

Vermin: Night manager at Food Lion.

Snow: no idea. He's that mysterious.

Cowboy: Cochise's co-DJ on their hit radio program. One word Warriors.

And last:
Fox: Still decomposing underground in the cemetary and parts of the Sub-Way terminal. (j/k, love to the Fox hated to see him go.)

[vermin76]

vermin would become the new john travolta dancing the night away and still mentioning his big one to all the ladies.

[Blake]

But the fact is, as long as you got a bunch of kids living in sh1tty neighborhoods with no money and no hope for the future, gangs will always be around in one form or another.

Well then the awnser is simple. You gotta give em a hope. give em a light. a child is a unlit candle. give em a dream. a Burning desier. atleast something to struggle for.

get those young black boys offa the streets. in the schools. fill those heads that up untill now only thought about bitches and hos and 2pac. and instead . beat that outta them and BEAT SOME SENSE INTO THEM! like my uncle did with me

get those white kids in a arcade wasteing there quarters like they should be.

those Pr boys shouldnt be shooting they should be playing football(soccer)


but sadly . kids is stupid. i was. .... hell i still am!

[emissary]

When you say "Pr", are you referring to Puerto Rican? Because if that is what you mean, you don't know anything about that culture. Soccer is not very popular on that island. Boxing is very popular. Baseball is as well. Soccer is huge in many Latin countries, but not there. Merry Christmas

[Blake]

They are all sports and they are all fun to watch.

lets face it unless the baseball players are on steroids the game is boring enough to get heroin addicts off the couch to change the channle... same with golf

[swift eyed wolf]

ok, great thread.
its more interesting to talk on a deeper level.

1. The 'warriors' in terms of the entire gang would in my opinion continue. This is because there are too many numbers, too many newbies looking to impress and because its the lifestyle that is considered as 'normal' for the entire gang to dissolve.

the warriors breaking up for would not be a case of the gang loosing its infrastructure and hierarchy; rather it would be a change in the whole local society being coney island. what i mean by this is that the experiences and way of life would have to change dramatically in order for the youth growing up to have a different view of gang life (that it is not necessary for survival). For this to be true, the local economy, the schools, the policing of the area, the expectations and influences of south brooklyn would all have to change. (as well as many other things). to eliminate the need to survive and rebel against the system, there has to be a whole new way of life, a much better life available and accessible to deter those youths from resorting to the gang lifestyle. Opportunities that the likes of swan wished he had, and is now in search for post reflection of his life.

In terms of the 'warriors' that we know and love, i dont believe that many of them would continue for much longer. Starting a gang lifestyle is at an early age when the members are highly impressionable and dont see an alternative or understand the possibilities open to them. when they reach the age of swan etc, then start to become aware of this and understand that there is another way...another life they can search for.

Due to this reason, this is why i think you get the situation where there is a vicscious cycle in operation. This is the joining of naive youths to gangs against the advice of the elders who are leaving the lifestyle afetr the realisation that there are other options. then these youths grow and realise the same thing but fail to prevent the next generation of impressionable youths from joining up. for this reason, the warriors would continue but as swan would leave, followed by snow, cochise, cowboy.

ajax on return would only leave the warriors by getting japped. he is too stubborn to question his own life and would continue regardless. Vermin would joke around with the newbies and isn't deep enough to realise what the others have.

2. I dont think the warriors would leave there turf. the only way a name chage would occur is if you got a one in a million leader who became warchief in his teens and was so caught up in his achievements that he renamed the gang. im thinking of a little dice of city of god type.

3. swan = travels with mercy always looking up to the stars and questioning his purpose of living...always looks because he never finds it.

ajax = sticks with the warriors until he gets japped or becomes the ultimate long lasting badass warrior.

cochise = works at coney island operating the cycolne. telling the kids wearing the vests to just get out while they can. he's known to the youth as the old crazy guy who works at the pleasure beach (as they are all very naive)

cowboy = very intraverted so never tells of his troubles to thise outside his inner circle. is depressed and upset by the breaking up of many of his friends from the warriors and is the one that joined for the reason of brotherhood more than anyone else.

vermin = plays cards with the newbies telling them jokes. he's popular with them but never offers any wisdom. he's on their level.

snow = works as a macanic. works hard and hides his pain. just soldiers on until he dies of old age.

8)

[Ranchgal]

interesting views Wolf.

I remember reading that someone(a social worker/street councelor type) said the violence of the 50s and 60s changed and got lost with the hippie movement-and increased amount of different drugs available on a street level---basically, everyone went from making zip guns to bongs---and with the increased availability of grass/??, everyone zoned out, didn't care, and the violence changed over to a hallucinagenic haze. plus there was a major crack down on the street violence esp. in NY. The turfs didn't become important again---until the gangs of today started out trying to make money off the drug business. then we as a society ended up with a whole new type of turf war with drive bys and guns.