The NYPD?

ajaxman · Post by **ajaxman** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 5:02 am

Here's a quick one I was thinking about during the 96th St. dash (that saw the Warriors split into 2 and saw the death of the Fox by a boy in blue).

During the course of the movie, doesn't it seem like the Police are just another gang? I mean they chase the Warriors at the 96th st. platform for no reason other than that they were a gang. That never sat right with me, just because the Warriors are a gang they can't be arrested if they aren't doing anything illegal and waiting for a subway train is not illegal. It just seems that the police are just as big a thug and just as unreasonably violent as the other gangs. AS a matter of opinion, the police are worse than the gangs because they are violent against the Warriors for no real reason (I'm making the Ajax situation an exception, my focus is the 96th St. chase that started for no reason and caused the death of the Fox and was the cause of the split which was why Ajax was in teh park in the first place). Any thoughts?

Rem · Post by **Rem** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 5:32 am

Well these guys are wearing gang colors, and usually they are carrying some sort of weapons on them, and many are suspects in cases, etc. So it's like if you see one, you know he's done something, or is going to do something. And for their own safety it's really a shoot/tackle/handcuff/beat-up first ask questions later type of thing.

paperdollorphan · Post by **paperdollorphan** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 7:02 am

i always assumed after the huge gang meeting turning into a riot/shooting they were on the lookout for gang members who may have been involved.

knowledge · Post by **knowledge** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 7:05 am

Thats what I was after too. It would only be fittting for the police to be on the lookout for gangs. But remember in the begining when the cops came to the meeting and turned their lights off? They kept quiet and out of the way until...'the signal' maybe? The signal being Cyrus getting shot. I think The Rogues had the cops in their pockets.

PadLock · Post by **PadLock** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 2:21 pm

Keep in mind the Warriors saw the cop and just booked. No reason behind it or anything. If i was a Cop and 8 guys wearing gang vest's saw me and all took off i would think something is up. Plus Ajax's kicking the cop didnt really help them.

Post by **GonzoNYC** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 2:49 pm

I think the cops had their lights out approaching the conclave because they wanted to get into position first before breaking it up. The Rogues may still have been working with the cops but I think the cops wanted to surround the place before making their move. Cetainly after Cyrus got shot anyone wearing colors becomes a suspect so by law the police can bring you in for suspicion.

NowhereToRun · Post by **NowhereToRun** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 3:36 pm

Hmmm... I never thought about the Rogues working with the cops... Maybe thats who Luthar was talking with on the phone? A mole within the NYPD perhaps?

Anyway, Yeah. The cops were trying to rack up everyone after the meeting. Im sure at some point one of the cops who arrest Ajax say "Got one of those punks who were at that meeting" Or something along those lines. I dont really remember though so maybe Im wrong.

haterist · Post by **haterist** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 7:27 pm

Mr. Rem wrote:And for their own safety it's really a shoot/tackle/handcuff/beat-up first ask questions later type of thing.

LOL! i'm using that as my new sig, hope thats cool!

hi_hat_warchief · Post by **hi_hat_warchief** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 8:18 pm

I rekon thats a good point about the police and luther but why would the police get someone to do it when they could kill cyrus themselves!

And thanks to everyone that replied to my earlier post about the gangs im new to this so im abit unknowledgeable lol! \:D/

Post by **GonzoNYC** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 8:24 pm

No problem hi_hat....just read some of the older threads and you will become knowledgeable very quickly.

One possible explanation as to why the cops would want another gang to off Cyrus is to get a gang-war type situation going. Let the gangs kill off each other.

HardcoreSoldier · Post by **HardcoreSoldier** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 8:25 pm

GonzoNYC wrote:I think the cops had their lights out approaching the conclave because they wanted to get into position first before breaking it up. The Rogues may still have been working with the cops but I think the cops wanted to surround the place before making their move. Cetainly after Cyrus got shot anyone wearing colors becomes a suspect so by law the police can bring you in for suspicion.

i agree and its said a few times in the movie that cops are trying to get every gang in town. the warriors knew the cop wasnt going to just let them be so when he came approaching they took off. also remember the warriors are criminals, we dont see it so much in the movie but the game you do. i think most criminals reaction to seeing a cop is to go the other way or in this case run.

BullDog · Post by **BullDog** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 10:44 pm

Yeah, i agree with most peoples statements, Since there was a murder (Cyrus obviously) and it was at the big gang meeting not only do the police want to find the killer but they want to get the massive amount of gang members off the street

And who knows, maybe they want to throw all the different gang members in one big cell and narrow down the members off all the gangs :badgrin:

Cyrus did make a good point of police to gang member ratio, maybe the police are on the same page

zubi q · Post by **zubi q** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 11:15 pm

in the game the cops are labelled as a gang!

ajaxman · Post by **ajaxman** » Thu Dec 22, 2005 3:07 am

Cyrus' death and them being in gangs would not be enough probable cause for an officer to detain or even chase another. All of them running like they did is not a reason either. There were alot of Cops on that platform, more than usual they were looking for the Warriors or any gang. Why? Just because they are in a gang the police couldn't prove that they were at the conclave. The Orphans weren't there, a hundred other gangs weren't there.

THem chasing after the Warriors was wrong to begin with because they had no cause to chase after them. It seemed to me that in the movie the Police were acting as another gang without any regard for the law. Social commentary in the movie? maybe.